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Eric shares Sahil Lavingia’s chart: June 2026 was the first month Gumroad spent as much on AI tokens as on human payroll. They debate what that means at scale, then dig into Elon’s Economist interview: AI timelines, universal income, fear marketing, and why 87% of Chinese respondents are net positive on AI while most Americans are afraid. Eric closes on open-source models catching the frontier and why regulation can’t put the genie back.

Key takeaways
◾AI spend matching payroll is coming for more companies; the only question is speed
◾Fear is a marketing choice: how leaders talk about AI shapes adoption
◾Open-source models catching up changes the whole regulatory debate

Chapters
00:00 Gumroad’s AI Payroll Shift
01:59 Elon’s AI Future Debate
07:48 Free Markets vs Regulation
08:33 Home Base and New Deals
11:11 Organic Growth and Enterprise Sales

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